matt'in pearl jam'e uyup uymadigi cok tartisildi, bircok kisi bu konuda birseyler soyledi, ben de yine sozlukte vaktinde birseyler karalamisim ama simdi donup bakinca derdimi pek de iyi anlatamadigimi goruyorum. matt'in soundgarden'da yaptigi isler gercekten on numaraydi, fakat tarzi pearl jam'in "groovy" tarzina bir turlu uymadi, sonunda matt degisecegine pearl jam degismeye basladi ve baska nedenler de araya girince (eddie'nin grubu punk grubu sanmasi gibi) son iki album vasatin ustu sonuclandi.
neyse yine konuyu kendim yorumlamak yerine pearl jam forumlardinda bu konu uzerine donen tartismadan bir alinti yapacagim. zira eleman konuyu videolarla o kadar iyi aciklamis ki, ustune soyleyecek pek birsey yok:
how about we do an "apples to apples" comparison, and just base this on the music... deal?
dave just posted new video of blood.
i actually don't like how he has all the splashes and such, so for me your assessment of "only because he set up his cymbals to look cool" is way off. frankly i think he looks a little too "metal" when he plays... but then again, i'm not judging by looks, as you are suggesting. i'm judging strictly by the music.
dave just posted this video camera footage of him playing. from this angle, you can't see the cymbals very well, so you'll just have to pay attention to the actual playing.
dave's timing was great. it lined up with the guitar changes. the right hand is playing the china and/or crashes with the guitar changes, and his left hand is keeping a straight snare beat. the snare and cymbal hits only line up once per measure as the count restarts each go-around. it has a great musicality to it. dave also did great, tight rudiments on a tight hihat during this song.
here's jack playing blood:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsp0tqvkniq
jack's timing was pretty much identical with dave's. jack's right hand was striking the cymbals and his left was keeping a straight snare beat, once again the snare and cymbal hits only line up once per measure. he used different cymbals (a ride many times), but jack "got it" as far as how the cymbals interlocked with the guitar changes, while keeping a steady on the snare. jack couldn't do the rudiments (imho as a drummer), so he just did a simple beat on the hihat, and his fills were a bit loose. seeing as how he got the rest of the song right, i won't begrudge him this difference. dave's "thing" was rudiments, so it's hard for most drummers to compare on that part.
here's matt playing blood:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo_b2pmtcew
i chose this audience video because it sounded a little less muddy than the pro-shot stuff, and on the latter-half of the video you can see matt playing more at the 2:00 mark, than the pro-shot stuff. matt's timing on cymbals is a basic beat - he's not hitting the crashes in timing with the music. matt's just kinda playing a generic beat and slamming the crashes in time with himself, regardless of how the rest of the song goes. his cymbal hits and snare hits line up twice per measure.
now i know my description may be lost on some... if you can't hear the difference, i truly envy you. this song used to be a favorite because of how intertwined the cymbal hits and guitar intertwined, plus the rudiments, and now with all the changes, it is no longer.
for those who complain that "dave played cymbals too much", then where are you now on this? if you count, every measure, matt is hitting the cymbals 6 times. dave is only hitting them 4 times. this makes it muddy sounding when matt is playing (plus not in time with the guitar changes), whereas dave's cymbal hits were spaced out, so you could hear each one.
in order of my preference on blood: dave, jack, matt
edit: however dreamweaver, i will agree that on new records, i enjoy matt's approach. even simple songs like light years sound better with matt than they probably would have with dave. i'm commenting strictly on the pre-matt material, particularly vs & vitalogy... and some of ten and no code.
tartismanin tumunu okumak isteyenler icin linki de burdahttp://forums.pearljam.com/…hp?f=4&t=95437&start=75
son olarak sevgili loverdosed'un matt cameron icin yaptigi harika aciklamayla bu entryimi de noktaliyorum: "matt cameron soundgarden davulculuğu dışında hiçbir iş yapamaz, ama soundgarden davulunu da onun dışında kimse çalamaz."